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| = Changements du code de la semaine= | | = Changements du code de la semaine= |
| = Noyau= | | * Pas de changement du code cette semaine |
| = Base de données = | | = Avertissement = |
| | {{Avertissement_résumé|fond=pink |bord=red |message = Ce résumé existe pour orienter vos recherches. Des erreurs d'interprétation ne sont pas à exclure. Pour plus de précisions, veuillez vous référer aux sources ou vous adresser directement aux développeurs d'OpenSimulator en assistant aux [http://opensimulator.org/wiki/Office_hours réunions du mardi] ou sur [http://opensimulator.org/wiki/IRC le canal IRC]}} |
| = Modules = | | = Modules = |
| = Bugs = | | === Alternatives à Vivox === |
| = Tests = | | ====Solutions ==== |
| = Projets en cours / Infos= | | * Freeswich, mais pas très bon. |
| | * Mumble : solution gratuite. Les gens d'IMA (scengate viewer entre autres ) travaillent sur une nouvelle implémentation, mais elle n'est pas encore publique. Mumble a besoin de remplacer slvoice.exe. Ils auraient réussi à remplacer slvoice.exe sous Windows mais pas pour les viewer sous Linux et Mac. |
| | * [https://teaspeak.de/fr/ Teaspeak.] |
| | * Clones de High Fidelity audio |
| | * Intégrer un client Telegram dans le viewer et utiliser leur chat vocal. |
| | * Il faut accepter que si l'on veut de l'open source, il faut faire tourner un serveur vocal quelque part. |
| | * [https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opus_Interactive_Audio_Codec Opus] : Codec principal sur le marché du libre. |
| | * [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_audio_coding_formats Comparaison des formats de codage audio] |
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| | ==== Développement ==== |
| | * Le serveur doit gérer les logins, les identifiants, les canaux, les canaux par parcelle, le chat de groupe qui n'existe pas dans OpenSim mais qui est souhaitable. |
| | * Le viewer communique avec le client Vivox avec du XML. Un service qui utiliserait le même XML pourraît le remplacer. Il existe une ancienne spécification publique de ce protocole pour l'ancien SL : https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Voice/Technical |
| | * Techniquement, avec un peu de temps, wireshark et une installation Vivox fonctionnelle, il ne doit pas être compliqué (pour une personne compétente)de documenter la plupart des protocoles. Le chiffrement est le point le plus critique. De plus SLVoice.exe est une boîte noire, assez grosse pour que personne n'ait fait de rétro-ingénierie. |
| | * Vivox a abandonné la version 4x il y a longtemps. |
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| | ====Documentations en anglais ==== |
| | * [https://conference.opensimulator.org/previous-conferences/ voir toutes les conférences OSL des 8 dernières années] pour des alternatives opensource |
| | * Mantis : deux tickets |
| | ** http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8899 |
| | ** http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view_all_bug_page.php |
| | ==== Problèmes des alternatives open source==== |
| | * elles ajoutent beaucoup de fonctionnalités propriétaires pour les rendre compétitives et pour que les gens acceptent de les payer. |
| | * problème de compatibilité |
| = Viewers= | | = Viewers= |
| | ===Sharpview === |
| | * documentation de ce qui se passe exactement lorsqu'un viewer se connecte à une région. |
| = Source= | | = Source= |
| http://opensimulator.org/wiki/Chat_log_from_the_meeting_on_2023-09-19 | | http://opensimulator.org/wiki/Chat_log_from_the_meeting_on_2023-09-19 |
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| [11:33 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: welcome :)
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| [11:34 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: as many noticed, we haf no code changes during last week
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| [11:34 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: had even
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| [11:34 AM PT] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com: The vacation continues I guess, I got almost nothing done either
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| [11:35 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: well rl things and such :(
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| [11:35 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: also no major bug reports
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| [11:36 AM PT] Joe Magarac: I'm still plugging away on Sharpview and trying to document exactly what happens as the viewer connects to a region. I have a state machine model now.
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| [11:37 AM PT] Kayaker Magic: Speakng of bugs, I found a yellow jacket nest in RL yesterday, only got stung once before getting away.
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| [11:37 AM PT] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: *gives Andrew's avatar some vitamin C
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| [11:38 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: having losts of fun joe :)
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| [11:39 AM PT] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com: What is probably worth mentioning is that since last week Unity, who now own Vivox, have decided to jump off a cliff and nuke their entire reputation by making ridiculous pricing changes. How this will affect Vivox is unknown.
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| [11:40 AM PT] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: There is a YT video of building foam aganst such nests Kayaker
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| [11:40 AM PT] Joe Magarac: Oh, Unity owns Vivox. Did not know that. Ouch.
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| [11:40 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: it does for some years now joe :)
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| [11:41 AM PT] Joe Magarac: Open source alternatives?
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| [11:41 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: prices where abotu vivox or all their products?
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| [11:41 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: still none joe
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| [11:41 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: we do have freeswich.. but not that good
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| [11:42 AM PT] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: see all the OSL conferences the last 8 years for opensource alternatives
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| [11:42 AM PT] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com: We have two mantis tickets that discuss options and various projects that were started, but nothing concrete
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| [11:42 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: we had a old support for mumble
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| [11:42 AM PT] Joe Magarac: OK, so Mumble came and went. What was wrong?
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| [11:43 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: IMA ppl working on a new implementation, but still not public
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| [11:43 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: mumble needs a replacement for the slvoice.exe
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| [11:43 AM PT] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: B)
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| [11:43 AM PT] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com: IMA isn't doing anything, they never did
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| [11:43 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: and we did need to do it by hand bakc the
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| [11:43 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: back then
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| [11:44 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: for many users that was confusing.. so.. wnet out of use
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| [11:44 AM PT] Joe Magarac: IMA?
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| [11:44 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: but is the only free solution that does 3d voice
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| [11:44 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: same ppl doing the scengate viewer
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| [11:45 AM PT] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com: Well not exactly, there is Teaspeak
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| [11:45 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: scenegate ( a variant of alchemy =
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| [11:45 AM PT] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: the problem with all these open source alternatives is they throw in a lot of proprietary functionality to make it competitive and and something people find wirthwhile paying for
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| [11:45 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: well and on multigrid environments we have the compatibility issue
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| [11:46 AM PT] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: that too
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| [11:46 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: vivox did provide a commun ground
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| [11:46 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: but well no longer free
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| [11:46 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: and did refuse to give me access to the dev portal when i told then it was for opensim
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| [11:46 AM PT] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: Unity is in a massive row over payments these days anyway
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| [11:47 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: ( tehre is nothing therr for opensim they told me )
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| [11:47 AM PT] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com: Ultimately likely that we need to build a new viewer plugin and server to connect it to and very likely that can't run in OpenSim directly either and probably should not
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| [11:47 AM PT] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com: I am looking at Teaspeak, but I don't speak abstract c yet
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| [11:47 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: well unity needs to make $
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| [11:47 AM PT] Orbert.Tatham @hg.zetaworlds.com: Is there any need for the
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| [11:47 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: what to say...
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| [11:47 AM PT] Orbert.Tatham @hg.zetaworlds.com: server side to need to worry about the voice?
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| [11:48 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: good they did gave us access for so many years for free
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| [11:48 AM PT] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: yes
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| [11:48 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: server needs to manage logins, cre3dencials, channels etc
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| [11:48 AM PT] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: they never sent me any payment claim
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| [11:48 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: like per parcel channels.. etc
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| [11:49 AM PT] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: group chat
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| [11:49 AM PT] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com: For voice calls interconnecting between users handling things on region level would be a massive pain to implement, so likely it would be a per-grid thing and on that level
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| [11:49 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: not sure we do have voice on group lol
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| [11:49 AM PT] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: we don't, but we would want to have
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| [11:49 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: well yeah
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| [11:49 AM PT] Kayaker Magic: I hear that the IMA guy working on voice got a replacement for slvoice.exe working in Windows, got discouraged when it didn't work with Linux or max clients.
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| [11:49 AM PT] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com: Going through the trouble of building a new thing might as well go for full support
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| [11:49 AM PT] Joe Magarac: Right, an open source alternative means running a voice server on a low-latency host.
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| [11:50 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: but personal and per parcel/region would be fine
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| [11:50 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: yes joe there is also that extra cost for grids
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| [11:50 AM PT] Kayaker Magic: Anybody here up on voice codecs in Linux? Mac?
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| [11:50 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: hmm there may also be the clones of HiFi audio
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| [11:50 AM PT] Joe Magarac: Huh.
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| [11:51 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: the name was hifi no? :)
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| [11:51 AM PT] Orbert.Tatham @hg.zetaworlds.com: A lot of the Ham people are basing their voice stuff on Asterisk PBX and its codecs, etc. but I don't think there are any stereo or multi-channel codecs there
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| [11:51 AM PT] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: build a telegram client into the viewer and use their voice chat
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| [11:51 AM PT] Joe Magarac: High Fidelity pivoted to an audio product.
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| [11:51 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: guess main codec now is opus
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| [11:52 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: on the free market
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| [11:52 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: ( opus does no do 3d directly i think )
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| [11:52 AM PT] Joe Magarac: I think you have to accep that if you want open source, you have to run a voice server somewhere.
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| [11:52 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: bc that it weas speex ?
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| [11:52 AM PT] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: we need to lobby the EU to force Apple to open iMessage and Facetime
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| [11:52 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: yes joe that is a must
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| [11:53 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: think on muble there are still services you can rent
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| [11:53 AM PT] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: now that the EU got USB-C and replaceable batteries sorted, they need a new challenge
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| [11:53 AM PT] Joe Magarac: That's useful.
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| [11:53 AM PT] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com: The serverside only needs to support channels and spatial audio, the bigger issue is the viewer plugin since that isn't open source
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| [11:53 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: and on other SIP based solutions freeswitch may use
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| [11:53 AM PT] Joe Magarac: The new challenge for Apple is that the EU says they have to allow other app stores in under 6 months.
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| [11:54 AM PT] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: I like that one
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| [11:54 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: ofc the most used viewers we have only support viviox
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| [11:54 AM PT] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: I fully support it
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| [11:54 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: snd the long outdated viviox 4x
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| [11:54 AM PT] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: Apple babysitting everyone is getting old
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| [11:54 AM PT] Joe Magarac: The interface in the viewer sends XML to and from the Vivox client, right?
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| [11:54 AM PT] Joe Magarac: So something that talks the same XML could be a drop in replacement.
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| [11:54 AM PT] Orbert.Tatham @hg.zetaworlds.com: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_audio_coding_formats
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| [11:55 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: it has own protocol joe.. and beening ll, possible xml ues
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| [11:55 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: there is a old public spec of that protocol joe
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| [11:55 AM PT] Joe Magarac: OK.
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| [11:56 AM PT] Joe Magarac: Anyway, looks like time to be thinking about moving away from Vivox, before Vixox moves away from us.
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| [11:56 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: for old SL https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Voice/Technical
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| [11:56 AM PT] Orbert.Tatham @hg.zetaworlds.com: Joe, it already has for most of us
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| [11:56 AM PT] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com: I mean technically if you have an afternoon of time, wireshark and a working Vivox setup I don't think it would be that hard to document most of te protocol
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| [11:56 AM PT] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com: Encryption being the biggest pain point
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| [11:57 AM PT] Joe Magarac: Why>
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| [11:57 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: well vivox moved away from version 4x long ago
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| [11:57 AM PT] Joe Magarac: Legal problems?
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| [11:57 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: guess only keeping servers for ll
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| [11:58 AM PT] Joe Magarac: Gotta go, next meeting. Bye.
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| [11:58 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: have fun
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| [11:58 AM PT] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: plus SLVoice.exe is a black box
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| [11:58 AM PT] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com: Not a big one though
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| [11:59 AM PT] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com: Ain't that much in it, still annoying to break open though
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| [11:59 AM PT] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: big enough that nobody have reversed it
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| [12:00 PM PT] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com: Didn't have a good enough reason or enough monetary incentives I guess
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| [12:00 PM PT] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: yep
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| [12:00 PM PT] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: Maybe Lisa Laxton (not sure if that is spelled right) can have a go at it
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| [12:00 PM PT] Kayaker Magic: RL calling, I must run
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| [12:01 PM PT] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: ct Kayak
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| [12:01 PM PT] Kayaker Magic: Buy all!
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| [12:01 PM PT] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com: Lisa can barely tie her shoes
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| [12:02 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: well rl calls me
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| [12:02 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: any other opensim issue?
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| [12:03 PM PT] Jamie.Jordan @grid.kitely.com:8002: have a great week yall
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| [12:03 PM PT] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: no new issues
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| [12:03 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: ok see you all nex week if not before :)
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| [12:03 PM PT] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: nobody tried MySQL 8.1 yet, right?
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| [12:04 PM PT] Selby.Evans @grid.kitely.com:8002: Bye all
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| [12:04 PM PT] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: bye
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| [12:04 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: fell free to enjoy the openbar... all drinks are fresh ( as 3 years ago..)
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| [12:04 PM PT] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: hehe
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