Réunion du 23-08-2022

Source : http://opensimulator.org/wiki/Chat_log_from_the_meeting_on_2022-08-23

Introduction

[10:56] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000 : Bonjour les gars.

[10:57] MichaelOmega ChristopherGeode : salut cuga, salut selby

[10:57] Selby.Evans @grid.kitely.com:8002 : Bonjour à tous.

[10:58] Kayaker Magic : Bonjour Jamie, Guga, Selby, earlybirds !

[10:58] MichaelOmega ChristopherGeode : salut kayaker

[11:00] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000 : pour interdire les TP HG entrants à moins que quelqu'un ne remplisse un formulaire.

[11:00] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000 : comme ils le font pour la simulation music de l'OSCC.

[11:00] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000 : y a-t-il déjà quelque chose d'écrit pour cela ?

[11:00] Jamie.Jordan @grid.kitely.com:8002 : Bonjour à tous

[11:01] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000 : Salut Jamie

[11:01] Ubit Umarov : Bonjour.

Activation d'un formulaire de CGU avant TP Hypergrid

[10:59] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000 : Je peux peut-être poser une question avant le début de la réunion.

[10:59] MichaelOmega ChristopherGeode : demande toujours !

[10:59] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000 : Quelqu'un peut-il m'indiquer une bonne ressource pour faire respecter les conditions générales d'utilisation d'un formulaire de page web qui doit être accepté avant l'envoi d'un TP HG ?

[11:01] MichaelOmega ChristopherGeode : salut jamie - et cuga, bonne question. s'ils le font pour oscc music alors quelqu'un l'a déjà fait - la question est de savoir qui :) [11:02] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000 : J'ai vu cela dans plus d'une grille.

[11:02] Ubit Umarov : que veux tu que je te dise ?

[11:02] Kayaker Magic : Beaucoup de tâches pour la gestion de la grille OpenSim sont gérées par les admins.

[11:02] Ubit Umarov : Eh bien oui, il n'y a pas beaucoup de code de base pour l'administration de la grille.

[11:03] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000 : Je ne saurais pas par où commencer, Gatekeeper.cs.

[11:03] MichaelOmega ChristopherGeode : ubit - la question était : interdire les TP HG entrants à moins que quelqu'un ne remplisse un formulaire.

[11:03] Kayaker Magic : Donc tu ne trouveras probablement pas de système de bannissement HG open-source...

[11:03] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000 : je n'aime pas avoir à réinventer la roue.

[11:03] Ubit Umarov : ah oui beaucoup de grilles ont cela, à cause de choses stupides de l'UE.

[11:03] Andrew Hellershanks : Bonjour à tous. Je me suis retrouvé sur notre région de secours lorsque je me suis connecté aujourd'hui.

[11:03] Kayaker Magic : Ouais, mais chaque gestionnaire de grille finit par devoir réinventer plusieurs roues.

[11:03] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000 : il s'agit simplement de signer les TOS avant d'entrer, ce n'est pas vraiment une interdiction.

[11:04] Ubit Umarov : Bill a fait l'un des premiers que j'ai vu

[11:04] Ubit Umarov : Bien, Bill est maintenant perdu dans la vie réelle.

[11:04] Kayaker Magic : Si tu trouves un gestionnaire de grille qui est prêt à partager, il s'agira d'un code qui suppose des choses sur la façon dont la grille est configurée, qui devra être fortement modifié. Il n'y a pas de standards.

[11:05] MichaelOmega ChristopherGeode : le plus simple est de demander à un administrateur de grille sur l'une des grilles où tu l'as trouvé s'il veut bien t'expliquer comment faire. La plupart des administrateurs de grille que j'ai rencontrés sont toujours heureux d'aider.

[11:05] Ubit Umarov : il s'agit de la réglementation de l'UE où vous devez dire que vous acceptez le stockage de vos données.

[11:05] Ubit Umarov : ou quelque chose comme ça.

[11:05] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002 : Pas vraiment

[11:05] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002 : La plupart, si ce n'est toutes les données envoyées par OpenSim sont liées au processus et ne relèvent donc pas de ces réglementations.

[11:05] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000 : les seules données sont l'URL et l'uuid de l'avatar.

[11:05] Andrew Hellershanks : Hm... Je pense que j'ai du code pour ce truc RGPD.

[11:06] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000 : S'il y avait un modèle que je pourrais adapter, ce serait idéal.

[11:06] Andrew Hellershanks : Jette un coup d'oeil à https://bitbucket.org/OpenSimLife/projectsasha.git

[11:06] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000 : Merci... je regarde.

[11:06] Ubit Umarov : oui mais beaucoup ont bloqué HG à moins que les gens aillent sur une page et acceptent.

[11:06] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000 : dit que le repo n'est pas trouvé

[11:06] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002 : Comme un serveur web, on doit connaître l'IP à laquelle renvoyer les données, on ne peut pas contourner cela, c'est la façon dont Internet fonctionne, donc c'est en dehors du RGPD. On en a besoin que si on prévoit de faire quelque chose avec ces données autres que des choses liées au processus, comme les renvoyer à un site web.

[11:07] Andrew Hellershanks : Cuga, je ne sais pas si cela fonctionne toujours avec la dernière version d'OpenSim mais cela devrait t'aider. Je n'ai pas essayé de l'utiliser depuis longtemps.

[11:07] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000 : le dépôt est introuvable ?

[11:07] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: https://bitbucket.org/OpenSimLife/projectsasha.git

[11:08] Ubit Umarov: https://bitbucket.org/OpenSimLife semble avoir disparu.

[11:08] Ubit Umarov : je pense que c'était le truc de Bill ?

[11:08] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: The way I've seen them work is the initial TP gives them a rejection dialog in viewer with a link to a web page. They fill it out, thewn the next TP works [11:09] Ubit Umarov: yeah [11:09] Ubit Umarov: something on gatekeeper login [11:09] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: yeah [11:09] Ubit Umarov: guess a flag added to a db [11:09] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: thats how I would do it [11:09] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: also seen it done with filesystem [11:09] Andrew Hellershanks: My copy of the project code was last updated June of 2018 [11:09] Ubit Umarov: already done by many [11:10] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: I just need to find one to share [11:10] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: OK thanks I'll ask around [11:10] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: You can write that quite easily, the rejection stuff you can copy the code that's already there, rest is interface with griduser table and making some sort of key for a webpage to read and set acceptance flag. [11:10] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: I wouldnt know where to start [11:11] Andrew Hellershanks: If the code is no longer in any public repository I can add it to my list of github projects. [11:11] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: that would be awesome [11:11] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: seems it would be a needed code bit for many people [11:11] Andrew Hellershanks nods [11:12] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: I'm not really a C programmer but I do sql, php and JS in my sleep [11:12] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: but I'll learn what I need of get help [11:12] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: or* [11:13] Kayaker Magic: I think PHP / SQL will do you well. [11:13] Ubit Umarov: yeah think bill did close that bitbucket repo when he closed the grid [11:13] Andrew Hellershanks: I don't see who wrote it. It is just showing osC2 Dev Team. [11:13] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: that part I can write no prob [11:13] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: its the OS code Im not sure about [11:14] Andrew Hellershanks: There is no source code other than just some PHP files and a .sql one for setting up the database table. [11:14] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Adding something like that for gdpr compliance when it isn't needed is a bit silly, could be useful to get people to read rules, but I don't go to peoples houses and immediately destroy the furniture so good behavior as guest should be common sense I would hope... [11:14] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: I can set that up [11:15] Ubit Umarov: many did that back then [11:15] Ubit Umarov: think several girds demand that [11:15] Ubit Umarov: in fact even seen a site that just refuses EU [11:15] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: It did great for the internet, cookie popups everywhere and sites load ever slower -.- [11:15] Ubit Umarov: because of gdpr [11:16] Andrew Hellershanks: IIRC, people outside the EU are being forced to comply if it is expected that you will have users from the EU. [11:16] Ubit Umarov: and now the cookies crap is just irritating [11:16] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: How do I configure Gatekeeper or whatever to check for avatar X in database Y as a condition to allow inbound TP? [11:16] Andrew Hellershanks: yes, very [11:16] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: I can do the php part [11:16] Ubit Umarov: you need to change some of our code on hg login to do that [11:17] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: thats the part I need help with [11:17] Ubit Umarov: think no hook there to use [11:17] MichaelOmega ChristopherGeode: if you can do the php part, since OS runs on databases, wouldnt it be as simple as a SELECT? [11:17] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: for llokup yes [11:18] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: There is code in Gatekeeper that checks existence in grid user table, you can add conditions after that based on the data in there, a flag for allow TP inbound for example. If set to false just give them a popup. Code for that is in the rejections further down that check against mac bans for example. It's C# code, not that much different from PHP [11:19] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: It's not as complex as it may seem at first [11:19] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Can always ask on IRC or the mailing list for more help [11:19] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: Is that in OpenSim/Services/LLLoginService/LLLoginService.cs ? [11:20] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: GatekeeperService is for HG, Login is for local users [11:20] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: ah ok [11:20] Andrew Hellershanks: In [modules] you set AuthorizationServices and in [AuthorizationServices] you set AuthorizationServerURI to point to a PHP file that is part of the Project Sasha repo. [11:21] Andrew Hellershanks: AuthorizationServices = RemoteAuthorizationServicesConnector [11:22] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: taking notes [11:23] MichaelOmega ChristopherGeode: dont forget these are recorded and posted so you can come back if you forget a piece [11:24] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: Does the PHP file just exist to fill out and add theor avatar to the DB, or does it also handle each inbound TP check as a handoff? [11:25] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: where is the Project Sacha repo? [11:26] Andrew Hellershanks: Don't know. It either has been deleted or it has moved to some other location. I've been trying to find it. [11:26] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: I could definitely use that code and adapt it [11:27] Andrew Hellershanks: The main adaptations would be to be able to access the database tables for your grid. [11:27] Ubit Umarov: well abotu last week code changes [11:27] Ubit Umarov: a few more abotu try to save a few ns here and there [11:27] MichaelOmega ChristopherGeode: yes, what got done while i was working on the food platform? [11:28] Ubit Umarov: also created shared assets for a default scritp and a empty notecard [11:29] Ubit Umarov: so now when we create a new one in viewer inventory, the new item points to those [11:29] Ubit Umarov: and will not create a new asset with same data over and over again [11:30] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: that will help cut down on orphaned assets? [11:31] Ubit Umarov: guess a few more cases can have this, but on several the viewers to preupload a new asset, so cant' avit that [11:31] Ubit Umarov: yes will cut down a lot [11:31] Ubit Umarov: wel or same [11:32] Ubit Umarov: the new scripts are usually made on a region, so do not polute the assets service imediatly [11:32] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: I have not looked too deep into osMakeNotecard, it might still create a new asset even if the data inside the notecard is the same, but that's more a fault of bad LSL code than that function [11:32] Ubit Umarov: bu tdo fill up the region cache etc [11:33] Kayaker Magic: If a HG visitor arrives and rezzes an object, doesn't it get swept into the main asset system in a few minutes? [11:33] Ubit Umarov: hard to avid that [11:34] Ubit Umarov: well this shared will also work on those cases [11:34] Ubit Umarov: well one day when more regions know abotu them [11:34] Andrew Hellershanks: Cuga, I just sent you a link to a private place for the GDPR files. There are a couple of text files in it that tell you how you use it. [11:34] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: got it [11:35] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: that has the PHP code but not the OS code mods [11:35] Andrew Hellershanks: There are no code mods, AFAICT. You just change an ini file. [11:35] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: oh, even better [11:35] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: Thanks I'll take a closer look [11:35] Ubit Umarov: yeah for what plug typed, it replaces a core service by a php one [11:36] Andrew Hellershanks: I mentioned the two settings earlier. [11:36] Ubit Umarov: added a minor integer log2 thing [11:36] Andrew Hellershanks: I think I need a new mouse or mouse cable. It is not behaving itself properly. [11:36] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Should go without saying to avoid using osMakeNotecard if you can save the data to Prim description instead, because this all came about after I found some SF_animal notecards, 37 million in total, clogging up an asset server, which is just bad coding on the part of the script that made them. Suppose they ran on a timer saving positional data or something to a new notecard each time or something like that. [11:37] Ubit Umarov: that is a little faster than using full float log [11:37] Ubit Umarov: we did add a json store or something [11:37] Ubit Umarov: had [11:37] MichaelOmega ChristopherGeode: andrew - have you tried using a trackball style? only problem i ever hit is when dust builds up around the ball on the sensors and a qtip fixes that in seconds [11:38] Andrew Hellershanks: Vincent, That is one of the reasons that the function has the threat level it does have and why it isn't enabled by default. [11:39] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: I been thinking about adding a bigger disclaimer to the wiki on the results of overuse of that function as well, though not sure how many really read that as is [11:40] Andrew Hellershanks: MichaelOmega: Years ago I had a keyboard with built-in trackball. It stopped working properly land I've never seen another like it since. I would love to have a keyboard with built-in mouse like device so I can sit back in my chair and still use a mouse. [11:40] Ubit Umarov: that integer log2 is something that dotnet > 5 does really fast on a intel cpu [11:41] Ubit Umarov: because it does match a cpu instruction [11:41] Ubit Umarov: so they did add it well on some dotnet version, system.numerics [11:42] Ubit Umarov: that ofc we cant' use [11:42] Ubit Umarov: so i added the managed code alternative [11:42] Ubit Umarov: even to faster than the Math one [11:43] Ubit Umarov: but well only used in no critical places so far [11:43] Ubit Umarov: lie on warp3d map recreation [11:44] Andrew Hellershanks: Hello, Ludo [11:44] Ludo.Davis @sheikah.org:8002: Hi everyone [11:44] MichaelOmega ChristopherGeode: hi ludo [11:44] Ubit Umarov: .. [11:44] Ubit Umarov: const double log2inv = 1.4426950408889634073599246810019;

           bitWidth = (int)Math.Ceiling((Math.Log(terrain.Width) * log2inv));
           bitHeight = (int)Math.Ceiling((Math.Log(terrain.Height) * log2inv));

[11:44] Ubit Umarov: is now [11:44] Ubit Umarov: bitWidth = Util.intLog2((uint)terrain.Width);

           bitHeight = Util.intLog2((uint)terrain.Height);

[11:44] Ubit Umarov: :) [11:44] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Minor savings in cpu over time go a long way when they add up :) [11:45] Ubit Umarov: well this ones like 1ns per month :p [11:45] Andrew Hellershanks: :) [11:45] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: One less carbon atom in the atmosphere [11:45] Ubit Umarov: yeah [11:46] Ubit Umarov: i may use it on ubode [11:46] Ubit Umarov: not sure [11:46] Ubit Umarov: well already do [11:46] Ubit Umarov: so 1 more ns per region start!! [11:47] Ubit Umarov: with all sititing this region physics is very light [11:48] Ubit Umarov: 3us per frame :) [11:48] Ubit Umarov: so like 30us per second [11:48] Ubit Umarov: ohh no... last was 4us [11:48] Ubit Umarov: :p [11:48] Andrew Hellershanks: Just over 10 minutes until the end of the hour. Anyone else have a question/comment for today? [11:49] Ubit Umarov: ppl love to be at lbsa standing [11:49] Ubit Umarov: to sit is a big lag reduction thing [11:49] Andrew Hellershanks: That's why we are asked to sit in the Keynote areas during the OSCC. [11:50] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: It's gotten a lot better, was throwing 1500 balls from one region to another the other day and no physics of sim fps drops at all [11:50] MichaelOmega ChristopherGeode: peaking of, how close are we getting to starting planning fo rthis years OSCC? times running away weith me this year [11:50] Ubit Umarov: oscc has own team [11:50] Andrew Hellershanks: Michael, I haven't heard anything yet. I would think some planning is already under way. [11:51] MichaelOmega ChristopherGeode: smh. yea, need to ask lyr or joy probably [11:51] Ubit Umarov: don't remember when ttehy call for participants.. early Nov, Oct ? [11:53] MichaelOmega ChristopherGeode: ok good, still got some time to decide which direction i want to focus this years talk, got too many irons in the fire [11:53] Andrew Hellershanks: Last year the call for proposals went out on September 27. [11:54] Andrew Hellershanks: That should give you about a month, Michael. [11:54] MichaelOmega ChristopherGeode: ty [11:55] Andrew Hellershanks: yw [11:55] Ubit Umarov: yeha seems they ask at octuber [11:55] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: I went back to mainline mono last Friday and since then it did not go back to crashing on TryParse again, knock on wood it stays that way. Removing mono entirely I noticed a few folders with data left in them in /etc and /usr/lib so perhaps it was loading some old things causing issues. Will have to see what new binaries on that version behave like [11:55] Ubit Umarov: October even [11:55] Selby.Evans @grid.kitely.com:8002: Sunday, September 25, 2016 2016 HG: OpenSimulator Community Conference 2016: Call for proposals. Call for proposals. OSCC 2016 OpenSimulator Community Conference 2016 [11:55] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Nothing in my testing environment ever ended up crashing so perhaps the 182 release already fixed what was wrong, time will tell [11:55] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Gotta love these illusive bugs [11:55] Andrew Hellershanks: https://conference.opensimulator.org/call-for-proposals/ [11:56] MichaelOmega ChristopherGeode: :) [11:56] Ubit Umarov: that was for 2021 :) [11:57] Ubit Umarov: ohh but [11:57] Ubit Umarov: September 27, 2021 – Announcement of the Call for Proposals! [11:57] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: MariaDB also finally added ubuntu jammy to their repo list so you can get the latest stable now instead of some older version [11:57] Andrew Hellershanks: Yes, I know and I said that. I was trying to provide some idea of the timeline we can expect for this year. [11:58] Ubit Umarov: yeah [11:58] MichaelOmega ChristopherGeode: its a good reference. proposal deadline beginning of Nov. gives plenty of time to finalize schedule and fill in entertainment [11:58] Andrew Hellershanks: Just a couple of minutes left in the hour. Last call for questions/comments. [11:59] MichaelOmega ChristopherGeode: none else here [11:59] Ubit Umarov: ohh no.. [11:59] Ubit Umarov: we should have a release before that? [11:59] Andrew Hellershanks: Ubit, Could be worth it if there have been enough changes and/or bug fixes. It is something to think about. [12:00] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Gotta give the latest changes some time to be tested before another release [12:00] Ubit Umarov: guess for now only a 0.9.2.2 [12:00] Andrew Hellershanks nods [12:01] Andrew Hellershanks: Nothing like the upcoming OSCC to make one think about a new release. :) [12:01] Ubit Umarov: ( our release is 0.9.2.1 i case you don't remember ;) ) [12:01] MichaelOmega ChristopherGeode: who needs time tot est for bugs before a public release? look at microsoft! (ok maybe that was a bit too far) [12:02] Ubit Umarov: tot est ? [12:02] MichaelOmega ChristopherGeode: to test [12:02] Andrew Hellershanks: to test [12:02] Ubit Umarov: oops ofc tot est [12:02] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: What are the main issues to watch out for in trunk? [12:02] Andrew Hellershanks: That's the new buzz phrase for here. ;) [12:02] MichaelOmega ChristopherGeode: :)) [12:03] Ubit Umarov: well the changes we speak about each week :) [12:03] Ubit Umarov: and others we doen't [12:03] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: ok :) [12:03] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: The changes to physics code and the notecard/script stuff could cause trouble, I don't expect them to, but some edge case might be there hard to know without looking everywhere [12:03] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: I have a lot of test cases for physics [12:04] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: are they mainly in obODE or also Bullet? [12:04] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: We got some unit tests for the most grave things, though we could use more of those too [12:04] Ubit Umarov: i did place a box with those assets at lbs [12:04] Ubit Umarov: did remove the eep ones.. [12:04] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: We did find some problems through those actually, part of the changes this week even [12:04] Ubit Umarov: but any grid can HG to lbsa and take a copy of that box, so getting the assets [12:05] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: oh the eep is updated? [12:05] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: I'll have to grab that for my standalone [12:05] Ubit Umarov: its where the eep ones where [12:05] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: I remember, I got the original [12:05] Ubit Umarov: no change on eep [12:05] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: ohh [12:06] Ubit Umarov: so that i did remove the box that was there with the eep assets [12:06] Ubit Umarov: hmm and another one with assets i forgot :) [12:07] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: I'll give physics a thorough shakeout on trunk. [12:07] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: I have test cases MrBlue said he never saw before and couldn't believe they actually worked :) [12:07] Ubit Umarov: but getting any object with such asset here at osg, will make that asset be transfered [12:08] Ubit Umarov: or any grid with current 0.9.2.2 [12:08] Ubit Umarov: well grids that do use core assets services [12:08] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: should I delete that asset that cane from OSG? [12:08] Selby.Evans @grid.kitely.com:8002: bye all [12:08] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: is it included now with the distro? [12:09] MichaelOmega ChristopherGeode: bye selby! [12:09] Ubit Umarov: others need to put them also on their assets services [12:09] Ubit Umarov: cya selby.Evans [12:09] Ludo.Davis @sheikah.org:8002: Bye Selby [12:09] MichaelOmega ChristopherGeode: oh shoot just noticed time [12:09] Andrew Hellershanks: Bye, Selby [12:09] MichaelOmega ChristopherGeode: i'd better run too before im late again :)) [12:09] Andrew Hellershanks: yes, we are past the hour now. [12:09] MichaelOmega ChristopherGeode: have a great week and ttys! [12:09] Ludo.Davis @sheikah.org:8002: Bye everyone [12:09] Andrew Hellershanks: You too, Michael. [12:10] Andrew Hellershanks: Unless anyone has a last minute item I'll wrap up todays meeting. [12:10] Andrew Hellershanks: I see no one typing so I will say my usual closing remarks. Thank you all for coming. See you again next week.