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| = [http://opensimulator.org/wiki/Compatible_Viewers Viewers]= | | = [http://opensimulator.org/wiki/Compatible_Viewers Viewers]= |
| === Viewer [https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Agent_Inventory_Service AIS] === | | === Viewer [https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Agent_Inventory_Service AIS] === |
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| http://opensimulator.org/wiki/Chat_log_from_the_meeting_on_2023-10-03 | | http://opensimulator.org/wiki/Chat_log_from_the_meeting_on_2023-10-03 |
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| [11:35 AM PT] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com: Frankly it really seems like a distraction, look fancy new previews, don't pay attention to the dumpster fire over there
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| [11:35 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: caps as in http capabilities they use
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| [11:35 AM PT] Joe Magarac: Maybe the future of viewers is to have a web browser in the viewer to handle much of the 2D UI.
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| [11:36 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: yeah joe
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| [11:36 AM PT] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: SL-18674 Remove UDP fallback for AIS caps not present
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| [11:36 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: yes they told they would do that
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| [11:36 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: no problem.. for SL
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| [11:37 AM PT] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: sure, when the UI is completely rewriten. It is currently rendered in the OPenGL view
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| [11:37 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: ( joe was not been ironic? )
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| [11:37 AM PT] Joe Magarac: A few parts of search and the destinations guide are already in a web browser, I think.
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| [11:37 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: sound like very ironic to me :p
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| [11:37 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: well they had web only profiles and moved back to inviewer one
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| [11:38 AM PT] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: rendered in an opengl window with a terrible hack
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| [11:38 AM PT] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: web profiles are removed
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| [11:38 AM PT] Kayaker Magic: Beq did a joke video once showing the viewer UI re-written to move the dialogs outside the OpenGl window...
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| [11:38 AM PT] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: Search will be rewamped too as I understand it
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| [11:39 AM PT] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com: Meant to all move into websearch in some form
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| [11:39 AM PT] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com: For better or worse
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| [11:39 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: not sure why there was no efford to make a openGL ( or something ) UI
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| [11:39 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: every single game or gfame engine has to make its own.. even doing the very basic fonts support
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| [11:39 AM PT] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com: That april fools version of FS with the floaters detached from the main view would have been so cool to have
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| [11:40 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: in old win one could deatach tabs into own windoes
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| [11:40 AM PT] Orbert.Tatham @hg.zetaworlds.com: Many have asked foro it
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| [11:40 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: on desktop.. for some reason that is less supported
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| [11:40 AM PT] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: with a codebase that is almost 25 years, it is difficult to manage
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| [11:41 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: not sure if issue is old code or new programmers.. but never mind ;)
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| [11:41 AM PT] Joe Magarac: LL can hire people to do web-like stuff easily.
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| [11:42 AM PT] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: the main issue is backward compatibiliyt for everything people have created
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| [11:42 AM PT] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: web apps are such a no-no
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| [11:42 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: well only recently they did hire back ppl with low level graphics skills
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| [11:42 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: but well that is LL...
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| [11:42 AM PT] Orbert.Tatham @hg.zetaworlds.com: It is beancounters failing to manage
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| [11:42 AM PT] Orbert.Tatham @hg.zetaworlds.com: Typical
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| [11:42 AM PT] Joe Magarac: Over the last 18 months LL has been adding game dev people.
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| [11:43 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: they can do whatever they want for their product SL
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| [11:43 AM PT] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: The most importsant thing is that the replacement for Oz is a Mixrosoftie
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| [11:43 AM PT] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: Microsoftie
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| [11:43 AM PT] Orbert.Tatham @hg.zetaworlds.com: Pathetic
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| [11:43 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: we are not SL.. can't do ( in some cases will not want to do ) all those changes
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| [11:43 AM PT] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: his head is only screwed on the Microsoft way
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| [11:43 AM PT] Orbert.Tatham @hg.zetaworlds.com: Which is to say it isn't really attached
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| [11:44 AM PT] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: hehe
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| [11:44 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: well oz made the move from lludp to http.. not that good in all cases
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| [11:44 AM PT] Orbert.Tatham @hg.zetaworlds.com: Not sure Oz had any choice
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| [11:44 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: the new guy is not has visible has oz was is he?
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| [11:44 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: ..as..
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| [11:44 AM PT] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: seems much is dependent on what happens to FS viewer for OS too, what direction they go
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| [11:44 AM PT] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: Remember they were planning to move all to Sansar when he did so
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| [11:44 AM PT] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: so most likely had a lot to do with that
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| [11:45 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: so.. back to opensim :)
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| [11:46 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: as i said, no plans to implement AIS in near future.. not only it is a nonsense heavy protocol, as it will mean a huge code change
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| [11:46 AM PT] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: yes
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| [11:46 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: that will reac grids in possible 2 years..
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| [11:46 AM PT] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: imagine standalone with AIS
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| [11:46 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: because grids do not update opensim that fast
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| [11:47 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: so TPVs for opensim need to keep old inventory code, for a few more years..
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| [11:47 AM PT] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: I have two repos now one for each
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| [11:47 AM PT] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com: Or until LL figures out it was a bad idea and changes their mind again
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| [11:47 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: .. yes one of tpvs dev already told me his viewer will no longer support opensim.. sad.. but it is what it is
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| [11:48 AM PT] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: Alchemy?
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| [11:48 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: not pointing a finger... ;)
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| [11:48 AM PT] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: a fact is a fact
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| [11:48 AM PT] Orbert.Tatham @hg.zetaworlds.com: Seems like the rest of us could use that info too
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| [11:48 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: well ppl do change minds.. so lets see
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| [11:49 AM PT] Joe Magarac: I'm wondering how much I can support, myself. Sharpview is totally organized for variable sized regions but I haven't even started on inventory yet.
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| [11:49 AM PT] Joe Magarac: Login, move, view yes - beyond that, I'll need help.
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| [11:49 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: not sure we will work on those tiny icons for inventory items
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| [11:50 AM PT] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: I am not going to take the AIS cnahges for teh opensim version
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| [11:50 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: sounds like a large waste of resources of limite use
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| [11:50 AM PT] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: maybe perhaps the code to open a folder in a separate window
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| [11:50 AM PT] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: which could be useful when building
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| [11:51 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: that is at higher level in code ( or should be )
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| [11:51 AM PT] Joe Magarac: Yes, this is starting to look like inventory as a separate window, run in the embedded browser.
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| [11:51 AM PT] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: it is mostly UI
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| [11:51 AM PT] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: terrible idea
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| [11:51 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: joe embeded brower is damm slow...
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| [11:51 AM PT] Joe Magarac: I know. Why is that?
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| [11:51 AM PT] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: all browser is rendered in opengl
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| [11:51 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: well its CEF :)
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| [11:52 AM PT] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: cef, google code full of all kinds of shit
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| [11:52 AM PT] Joe Magarac: Hm. Must think about this. Will talk to Beq.
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| [11:52 AM PT] Orbert.Tatham @hg.zetaworlds.com: How do you "wear" something? How does the viewer pass back that info?
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| [11:52 AM PT] Orbert.Tatham @hg.zetaworlds.com: if you separate it into the browser
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| [11:53 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: think there is no glue btw brower and UI
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| [11:53 AM PT] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: it will make thing infinitely harder to try use the browser
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| [11:53 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: brower is web wonly
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| [11:53 AM PT] Orbert.Tatham @hg.zetaworlds.com: Which means your are braking the inventory integration with the rest of the viewer
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| [11:53 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: drwas its things on it is mostly a texture for opengl ???
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| [11:54 AM PT] Orbert.Tatham @hg.zetaworlds.com: *breaking
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| [11:54 AM PT] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: browser is run as a separate detached process ourtside the viewer sandbox, and you have to poke a hole in it to make the viewer inject oages that opengl can render
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| [11:54 AM PT] Orbert.Tatham @hg.zetaworlds.com: There are several inventory functions that require integration
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| [11:55 AM PT] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: so it is very flaky, also from a security point of view
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| [11:55 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: nop ide if even CEF as the low level api needed to full control a UI inside a page
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| [11:55 AM PT] Joe Magarac: Or at least communication.
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| [11:55 AM PT] Orbert.Tatham @hg.zetaworlds.com: Right click in the inventory window and look at the list of things
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| [11:55 AM PT] Orbert.Tatham @hg.zetaworlds.com: All of those require integration
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| [11:55 AM PT] Orbert.Tatham @hg.zetaworlds.com: Something is very wrong with this picture
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| [11:56 AM PT] Joe Magarac: Yeah. Needs more thought.
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| [11:56 AM PT] Joe Magarac: Have to go; back next week. Thanks.
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| [11:56 AM PT] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: Bye Joe
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| [11:56 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: cya joe
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| [11:56 AM PT] Orbert.Tatham @hg.zetaworlds.com: This is Linden comping up with this idea, right? What else is new
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| [11:56 AM PT] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com: "Needs more thought" LL motto right there
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| [11:56 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: what idea orbert.Tatham ?
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| [11:57 AM PT] Orbert.Tatham @hg.zetaworlds.com: The inventory in a browser window
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| [11:57 AM PT] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: I think they are working on a viewer for Xbox, and it has to be shiny and have all kinds of stuff other xbox games / apps have
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| [11:57 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: not sure if they even consider that
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| [11:58 AM PT] Orbert.Tatham @hg.zetaworlds.com: What else is new
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| [11:58 AM PT] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: I need to head out soon
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| [11:58 AM PT] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: FYI I will be absent from this meeting for the next few weeks, back in November
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| [11:58 AM PT] Orbert.Tatham @hg.zetaworlds.com: Laterz Cuga
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| [11:58 AM PT] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: so don;t fix any bugs with unmanaged libs :)
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| [11:58 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: oh ok Cuga.Rajal
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| [11:58 AM PT] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com: Knowing the xbox clientele that'll mesh really well with the folks usually hanging out on SL, that'll be pretty explosion to watch
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| [11:59 AM PT] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: a lot of emotional chat threads now in SL about viewer direction
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| [12:00 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: well any othet topic?
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| [12:00 PM PT] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: are there?
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| [12:00 PM PT] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: not really
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| [12:00 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: browsing log bf i arrived.. rasp 5 :)
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| [12:01 PM PT] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: I only made the viewers compile with Xcode 15 and C 17 the past week
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| [12:01 PM PT] Orbert.Tatham @hg.zetaworlds.com: I seriously hope that Joe will make a viewer that will stick with OpenSim, because these kind of LL f'ups are going to make that very difficult even for Beq
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| [12:01 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: seems AIS was the main topic today :)
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| [12:01 PM PT] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: or Gavin
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| [12:01 PM PT] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: or both :)
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| [12:03 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: if you look to that SL wiki gavin pasted for AIS you notice it is a 2013 thing
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| [12:03 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: that even ll ignored until now
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| [12:03 PM PT] Orbert.Tatham @hg.zetaworlds.com: Perhaps they are smarter than they realized
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| [12:04 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: https://wiki.secondlife.com/w/index.php?title=Linden_Lab_Official:Inventory_API_v3
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| [12:04 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: or where? :P
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| [12:05 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: in fact they did noy update that since 2013 ir seems
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| [12:05 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: so already outdated...
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| [12:05 PM PT] Orbert.Tatham @hg.zetaworlds.com: It was outdated when it was created, but that hasn't changed anything
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| [12:06 PM PT] Kayaker Magic: Gota run, RL chores to get to
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| [12:06 PM PT] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: they are not fast to update their documentation...
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| [12:06 PM PT] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: I need to head aout too.. Take care everybody. See you in November
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| [12:06 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: wlel rl calls me...
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| [12:06 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: again sorry i was so late :(
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| [12:07 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: any other urgent topic?
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| [12:08 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: ok see you all next week
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| [12:08 PM PT] Orbert.Tatham @hg.zetaworlds.com: Peace
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